Final Tally
279 CNA
261 LCM
17 challenged votes
1 voided ballot
If you didn’t vote, well……you lost a chance to be heard
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Little Company of Mary speak out in their own words
Little Company of Mary Medical Center Torrance
Rally Against the California Nurses Association
Friday September 6th 2013 0600 to 1000
Come show your support for your hospital and your profession.
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SEIU LOSES 383 to 249 at
Providence Holy Cross Medical Center
August 23, 2013: Providence Holy Cross Medical Center employee’s voted with their hearts, minds and conscience and defeated the SEIU today by a vote of 383 against the giant labor union to 249 in favor. The community served by the medical center can now rest assured of years caring dedicated service from the professional staff.
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Labor union ‘raids’ on rise as rivals seek to boost membership, clout
Unions File Petition Against Holy Cross
The harassment and hostility was just overwhelming for some. The bullying by the union organizers and yes even some staff is just plain unacceptable and we need to report it.
Oh Cee Cee…
Please stop the dishonesty The Labor board takes lying very seriously …lies and the hospital disrespecting the nurses rights to become a union.. Obstruction of justice is punishable by the law……….. they are also failing in their core value of respect.. the certification will happen…and if your anti union nurses are found to be lying…….they will be held accountable. by the labor board….
keep informed. Stay united……
LCMH is so desperate that they are spreading lies of harassment…if nurses lie they will be held accountable to their maker and the labor board
CNA all the way…
lies by management may cause delay ..
the hoarding of profits……they will now have to pay
and their control….will soon decay!!!!!!!
hip hip hooray!!!!!!!!!!
yay for CNA ..YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cee cee
please don’t lie..you are making yourself look very foolish and you are not showing the core value of respect
give it up…follow the law….
their was
no bullying…on CNAS ..only by the hospital with their propaganda………
the hospital is going to get in a lot of trouble!!!!!/wait and see Cee Cee
we will be back to counteract your dishonesty
The hospital is a sore loser…so is LIz dunne. and Michael Jongsma
We heard that he had is wife …lie and pretend that she was a bedside nurse to vote….there is one challenge….this will come out with the investigation
How low can you go.!!!!!!
Unfortunately the administration at Providence Little Company of Mary hospital in Torrance are sore losers and are not exhibiting the core value of respect in the nurses choice to become a union.
The dis respect it so much….that they had the audacity …….. to have the CNO’s wife try and vote when she was not eligible to vote,,,,
How low can you get Mr Jongsma? Where are your core values?
As I read the posts, I see how ugly it’s obviously gotten at your hospital and the election hasn’t even taken place. This is a very telling sign of what’s to come; should the union prevail. You will have a divided house with frienships broken and teamwork thrown out the window. How do I know this? Because this is what’s happening at our Hospital – Sutter Tracey — the union was elected at our hopsital, March 2012. The union only won by a small margin (3 votes) – now 18 months later we have no contract, a lot of changes in managament and broken promises from the C.N.A. The union even re-asssigned our Labor Rep and left our bargaining reps to really fend for themselves at the table with management. We liked the rep we had, we don’t like our current nurse reps. The message from the union has changed as well. Initially it was about nursing practices and patient care, now its about their right to collect dues and now we are hearing the union wants to take us out on a strike. Most of us feel really lost right now. And this all because we foolishly gave the union a chance. Think long and hard when you go to the polls this week. God Bless and Good Luck.
26 miiliion in profits after saleries..after everything…..year 2011….why cant even get our techs back……hello?
To Sutter tracy:
I guess you have had a bad experience…..some hospitals have a good experience…..thanks for your input..Hope it gets better for you.
to Sutter RN
Sounds like your hospital is having a bad experience…….some have good experiences….Hope yours gets better…sounds like pros and cons…….
Who filed those Federal Charges”? The union filed those charges! Why? Because they needed to be able to say “federal charges filed against LCM” two of the bogus charges have already been dismissed by the labor board.
Don’t believe me? Look it up.
The CNA union is slamming your hospital, attacking the quality care you provide your patients. The are attacking good nurses who speak out against them.
Why is it that the union demands free speech and protection only for those that agree with them? Read between the lines, CNA/NNU stands to make MILLIONS of dollars from YOUR pockets if they are voted in.
This isn’t about patient protection or nursing protection or fairness. It’s about profits and numbers.
All of us are educated, critical thinking Registered Nurses. We do not need Big Labor interfering with the caring compassionate and professional work we do.
VOTE NO!
A nurse filed those charges…..
Many of us are not voting…
we are tired of your bickering..If we have a union fine..if we don’t fine..We will all survive..GIVE IT A REST!!!!!!!
we could work with eiher and so will HR administration and MIchael J…
and so can we and so can magnet…..:) Get real, get honest and get a life
I won’t give the union my vote. Not voting is a cave in-speak up and stand your ground as a educated professional nurse. Empowerment is the act of choosing and making decisions-this won’t happen with the union. Vote NO!!
WAKE UP!
CNA/NNOC/NNU and SEIU are only in this for the money. Look up how many Unfair Labor Practices these unions have had filed against them by the people they claim to represent! You don’t gain a voice with the union, YOU LOSE YOUR VOICE!
Nurses, by nature and definition, are critical thinkers! Don’t make this vital decision based on emotion.
Back in the day unions were able to compel employers to negotiate about safety practices but now we have OSHA. We have overtime rules and minimum wage laws and the EEOC. We have so many laws an regulations that protect workers regardless of the union. I personally don’t need or want to pay someone $332-$120 a month to make a phone call for me!! That’s all they do, the call the regulatory agencies that you already pay taxes for. Sounds like double dipping to me.
And wages, think about wages. In the 1950’s not everyone had a car and couldn’t drive 20-40 minutes to get a better wage. Now we can and do! If you want a union so bad, go work where there is one! Don’t try to ruin it for everyone else. Unions have outlived their usefulness.
I saw the comment that if it wasn’t bad, the employees wouldn’t have sought a union. They probably didn’t. Think about how many nurses work per diem at a union hospital. I’m sure CNA probably paid one or more of them to get cards signed at LCM. Sad that people can be bought, but they can. I have heard as much as $20 per card signed…
I seriously doubt that someone called CNA and asked them to come and organize, this is not Norma Rae days…
Good Luck, Be Strong, Be Smart and VOTE NO!
why is UCLA and long beach memorial..magnet after union? no boby is addressing this….because the hospital had to give some profits and pay the per diem better, have extra techs and so forth..etc……check the facts
Actually..ICU called CNA….ask them
may people be able to vote without harassment from anyone………
To everybodys helper..
ICU called CNA..
and all of their board of Directors are volunteer nurses too.. There are pros and cons to this……..I think this is fair to say…..San Pedro has a pretty good contract….maybe the above Sutter nurses has had a bad experience….It is good to look at both sides dis agree is a right but respect is a must
The CNA couldn’t find enough nurses to come to their rally so they brought longshoremen union members? I thought this was about nurses and patient care not the longshoremen’s union?
Edith, any comment on this?
I guess because management is bullying and harassing the nurses,..
they already have a charge against them form the labor board..whatever the results..It takes place on NOv 23rd…..any comments Cathy T…or did you not know about this…….does not sound like it…….better check it out………more facts this site does not mention…hmmmm..We wonder why…..
Shame on you Ann! You know full well it is you who is harassing the RN’s. Constant text messages and phone calls while RN’s are at work. It is being reported to HR……
remember your core values RNLCM…it is disruptive behavior to show disrespect..just because you disagree…..
may people be able to vote in peace……whatever they choose ……..
CAreful RNLCM…..don’t be mean…people are entitled to their opinions…just cause it may vary from yours…….respect is a core value
Labor board are allegations, not charges. It is in response to solicitaion on the premises which is not permitted. Not harrassment charges and it is only a hearing no charges have been filed. YOU need to get your facts straight!!!
because administration is intimidating nurses. and have been indicted..for harassing employees to organize. .check out the hearing on NOv 23rd..whatever the outcome is…LCMH is in trouble……
LCMh is being indicted for violating labor laws..hearing on NOv 23rd….union or not
LCMh is in trouble..did you know that CAthy T? ….do your homework
CNA truly does not care about nurses or patients. It’s all about the money and getting their membership back up after dropping down to a low of 6.6% in 2012 from almost 35% in the 1950’s. California has so many labor laws to protect employees, we don’t NEED them anymore. They discovered hospitals that are rooted in the community and gotten their fangs in to try to suck the life out of them by dividing the nurses from their relationships with management and collecting dues/fees, which is the only thing keeping them in business. Stacy from the ED in the video was an embarrassment to the hospital and is probably getting thousands of dollars paid to her by the union for her actions. I anticipate a NO vote against the union and we will be successful in this campaign, however we keep the fight going until we know they are out. They have no integrity or morals in how they operate.
It was pretty bogus to have rose and carol talk..since they are education people and not bedside nurses that can vote……please do not lie..get real nurses to talk if they are anti union.. not education people..
If you watched the video , there were 4 nurses that were interviewed. Rose, and Carol may not be bedside nurses , but they have been with LCM for 20+ years, their knowledge about the ministry is awesome. They wanted to be part of the bargaining unit, it’s to bad CNA excluded them . Maybe because they knew that would give them an even bigger disadvantage. The other two nurses Kathleen and Lindsey are bedside nurses. What they say is great.
Maybe you should get the facts. It’s uneducated people like you that make all of us hate the UNION.
Do your research. If CNA Represented nurses , it’s funny how Longshoremen showed up to chant “We are the NURSES “!!
It was great, made the union look even more pathetic 🙂
Not to mention the accident they caused in front of the hospital !!! Patient care they say…. HMM…….
So Edith keep your comments coming, because it just shows the rest of us , how much more we don’t want the union here.
Thank You for all your Ridiculous comments ..
Long Beach, UCLA all have some pretty good contracts.. Have you read them? and…..UClA and Long Beach also became magnet after unionization… those are the facts.. Whether you like to hear them or not
That is because your management is intimidation the staff at Providence LCMH…. check out San Pedros contract, Long Beach memorial and UCLA..oh and….UCLA and LOng Beach became Magnet AFTER unionization , DId oyu know that Why don’t you show your real name…LCM RN?
Show us your comments on why San Pedro and Long Beach memorial became magnet after CNA intervened……
Thank you Edith for speaking up …
don’t let this nameless LCM RN bully you….core values must be maintained….LCMH sure does not want another charge against the labor board.. like the one they must answer for on NOv 23rd ….. probably why she wont even use her first name .
I think you may have a surprise come the election..Sn Pedro has a pretty good contract……..nameless LCM RN….so does UCLA and LOng BEach Memorial….both magnet hospitals after CNA intervened…..
keep your comments coming Janet and Edith….I will tell more about this site…..spread the word.
because they are not bedside nurses….hello?..remember core values..lcmh in trouble with labor board already…NOv 23rd……….
only bedside nurses can vote..check your labor board laws and rules and get knowledge…this is NLB rules and they have also idicted LCMH for violations…..hmmmmmm.. Why is that?
Rose and carol are good people..but not bedside Rns..that is why they are excluded..per labor board rules
Oh Edith…..
The truth is union dues are a reality, pay is frozen until/if there is a contract.
To all my RN’s Keep positive! The angry will continue to be angry.
Vote NO!
You are entitles to your opinion RN LCM..but please be respectful and not condescending
better check your records.. because san pedro and long beach have some great contracts..do your home work…and talk to real nurses…not management
why could you not get bedside rns..only Rose and Carol..they are educators..and cant vote…..nice going..making easy it for CNA…keep up the goof=d owrk
Then why is LCMH being charged and having to answer to the labor board on Nov 23rd…..regardless of the outcome…….
It is because they violated the labor laws and an employees right to organize…..
LCMH also made 22 million in profits ……while they laid off 24 nurses last year…..this is factual.. this is public record
The video of the LCM nurses speaking was wonderful. How embarrassing that the NNU/CNA nurses couldn’t form an intelligent sentence. The just mimicked the union line and fumbled their words. No heart or compassion at all. That’s not what Little Company of Mary is about.
I have to vote no. I don’t want them representing me, my hospital or nurses anywhere.
I could not agree more. The first one who spoke got us a bunch of no votes! We are so excited! We are ashamed for her.
The other one sits in our break room bothering the RN’s on their lunch breaks. She has got us a few no votes too!!!
don’t be so quick.. we all know that rose and carol are education people and cannot vote….where are the real nurses that are anti union..cant find any huh????
Carol and Rose are educators..not bedside RNs….they cant even vote..they do not speak for us………go CNA….why don’t you get actual nurses who can vote…it might give you more credibility…….but it is too late huh
is that the best you an do just carol and rose..good education people but terrible liars..they cant even vote….not smart on your part….
As I read the posts, I see how ugly it’s obviously gotten at your hospital and the election hasn’t even taken place. This is a very telling sign of what’s to come; should the union prevail. You will have a divided house with frienships broken and teamwork thrown out the window. How do I know this? Because this is what’s happening at our Hospital – Sutter Tracey — the union was elected at our hopsital, March 2012. The union only won by a small margin (3 votes) – now 18 months later we have no contract, a lot of changes in managament and broken promises from the C.N.A. The union even re-asssigned our Labor Rep and left our bargaining reps to really fend for themselves at the table with management. We liked the rep we had, we don’t like our current nurse reps. The message from the union has changed as well. Initially it was about nursing practices and patient care, now its about their right to collect dues and now we are hearing the union wants to take us out on a strike. Most of us feel really lost right now. And this all because we foolishly gave the union a chance. Think long and hard when you go to the polls this week. God Bless and Good Luck.
This why is LCMH being indicted Nov 23rd whether the nurses vote yes or no???hearing takes place that day because LCMH violated labor laws
I didn’t think I would care either way about a union or no union until I did my homework. I am voting no.
I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. I am glad that how you vote is a secret to everyone.
Hang in there — remain strong. Sorry we missed your rally, but our thoughts and prays were with you and will be until your election. Tell your co-workers, once CNA is in, they are like cockroaches — they never leave and its hard to get rid of them. CNA has been at our hospital for the 7 years — we tried to get rid of them a couple of years ago, we thought we had the votes to do it. Union won because they intimidated and bullied some of our foreign born nurses –threatened to have them sent back to their country. To me, they are just a bunch of thugs. They try and pretend that’s it’s about nursing practices, but really it’s all about them and the money. Good luck guys!!!!
Keep up the pressure on the CNA/NNU the dues are outrageous and you get little or nothing in return. Productivity gets worse with the union gets in. Don’t get caught up in the rhetoric
You can and will be better off without unionizing. Once there embedding in your hospital it’s like a major roach infestation. I’ve experienced it myself.
On Monday night, August 23rd, 2013, Providence Holy Cross employees defeated the SEIU-UHW. It was an overwhelming defeat for SEIU-UHW here in Mission Hills. It was the employees who battled back during the SEIU-UHW invasion. Our friends at Little Company of Mary in Torrance, California are ready to fight back. Everything the Union throws at you guys you throw it right back at them. If you don’t support the union coming into your hospital now is the time for you to get vocal. Good luck Little Company of Mary!
its CNA for nurses.. not seiu….check your facts…..
Wow! First there’s a vidoe of Liz Castillo punching out a member. Watch this video of SEIU members testifying at a LA council hearing about union lies, theft and intimidation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PifUdiLUdRE
We’re seeing what the union is doing to us and our co-workers and they havent won the election. Dont let them in our house!
Union has been telling us we’d have to pay only $20/month. Just saw it plans to raise dues next year…$32 per month minimum.
Union reps got so aggresive in the cafeteria today that they had to call security.
VOTE NO this week!
SEIU plans to raise union dues. Plan to make employees pay $32 per month if they make less than $19000 or 2% if they get paid $19000 to $74000. You pay even more if you make more than $74000. Why should hardworking Holy Cross employees pay SEIU organizers to sit in lawn chairs outside our hospital? How much did members pay for that pimped out purple bus?
“Hospitals are very often successful at co-opting natural leaders,” McEwen said.
What can the union do? First is to educate members to see through management’s hype—what labor educator Charley Richardson called the “tricks and traps” designed to lull you into believing you and management have the same concerns at heart. These include joint brainstorming, win-win rhetoric, and trust exercises.
One strategy is to try to get your people onto the lean team—but they probably won’t be picked, and it’s a “slippery slope,” Sheridan-Gonzalez said. Union members on joint committees should treat every meeting as if it were a bargaining session, with two opposing sides.–
It’s exactly this sort of divisiveness and demonization that makes unions a very BAD idea in a healthcare setting. No matter how hard a company works to build a better workplace and involve their employees in problem solving some union is going to come around and sow ugliness and suspicion around that effort. Why? Because when healthcare providers work cooperatively together and break down the barriers between management and staff, unions have a tougher time selling their snake oil.
The solution to these sorts of problems is not a clunky collective bargaining model that’s getting close to 100 years old and failing workers in every sector. The solution is educating and motivating management and staff to work together with greater understanding and cooperation, not less.
This sort of one-dimensional boss bashing is so outdated, counter-productive and futile. When is Labor Notes going to start really getting out ahead and act like a thought leader to help to solve workplace issues instead of a tool of Big Union working to preserve the corpse of a dying dinosaur?
I guess when Big Union stops funding Labor Notes!
Ugh! Don’t like CNA one bit. Folks at Little Mary ought to look into CNA’s record on social issues. They just dont fit right for nurses at a Catholic hospital.
A friend at work told me about this website. I’m at Little Company of Mary like CeeCee. I have worked in both union and non-union hospitals and there really hasn’t been much difference.
We’re supposed to pay dues and get representation, but I’ve seen the CNA leave people hanging on more than one occasion. Buyer beware!
do your home work…you aren’t stating the facts ..and you know it..
The purple bus is here again today. Lots of union people trying to get us to vote for SEIU. Lots of threats. I can’t believe anyone would want a union that sneaks people into our hospital, disrespects rules, threatens us and won’t leave us alone here or at home. Make this all go away. VOTE NO!
The union doesn’t have a chance here at Little Company of Mary. We are getting together to push them out! They have no business here at all. They are just trying to look for excuses and making things up.
I’m tired of organizers coming to my house and scaring my kids. How do I stop them from coming to my house when I’m working? My kids are home alone. That woman in the video was at Holy Cross. Cant see how any of us would want her representing us.
Sherwood you can find me on facebook and i can assure you that im a UPMC worker. There was a recent special on CNN about the city of stockton, ca the largest city to file for bankruptcy . at first glance some who are looking to target unions would think they are the cause….but the wasteful spending and the numerous loans got Stockton,CA where they are now….Personally i would like to see more police and fire fighters make the most pay in the city instead of some big wig in a suit… those men and woman put their life on the line for us and there are people out there that think they should work for scraps….
That video is insane! Is this what we can expect from SEIU? Attitude and violence if they don’t agree with us?
Why would the union let that woman become a leader? That’s not the kind of people I’d want representing me on anything.
UMPC Worker or SEIU plant? please note in the bottom right hand corner of your website link that it is an SEIU website, not a “UMPC worker site”. Are you the poster a true UMPC employee or an SEIU employee? The LM-2 will eventually show the truth.
support the unions they are for the worker…why do u think the police, teacher, pro sports, fire fighter and other have unions…i mean the country does better when there are more unions. For the union to be there in the first place there must be a reason for them to be there…low pay bad benefits? the big businesses like the Coke brothers and the Walmart owners the Waltons fund websites like this among others and want to keep workers down!
Interesting that cities, towns and municipalities across the country are filing for bankruptcy or are near bankruptcy, in large part due to caving years ago to union demands of outrageous pensions and benefit packages. Do we learn from the mistakes, selfishness, foolishness and outright unscrupulousness of those who walked before us?
We must take a stand now, only the insane continue to take the same actions repeatedly expecting a different outcome and wondering why again they fail.
Unions are not what they were 20, 30 or 50 years ago. Today they are nothing more than a big business seeking a way to make more profits in a market where their product has not evolved to meet the needs of the consumer they must serve. The educated consumer will see through the smokescreen and reject them.
Sherwood
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/municipal-cities-counties-bankruptcies-and-defaults.html
Thanks for posting this! I’m a tech at Holy Cross and am concerned about this union election we have coming up later this month. My coworkers and I don’t think that the union will fit in with our way of doing things. Personally I don’t see much value in paying the dues either, unless the SEIU guarantees us better pay and benefits. Seems like a gamble.